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April 7, 2023 Faculty Senate


---Rita Lennon:
Welcome everyone to our faculty senate meeting
for April 2023... so happy to see all of you here.  

To make it more engaging, if you wouldn't mind 
turning on your cameras, that would be helpful...

so we can be here together... be as one... we do  have a sign-in
sheet here... I will add that to the chat in just a moment here.

And we also have the agenda... I'll go 
ahead and add that to chat as well.


---Lisa Werner:
Uh, oh... wait a minute.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay... I hope everyone's doing well, it's Friday... got what,
6 more weeks of classes and then we're done for our semester.

All right... let's go ahead and begin... first of all, I would like to
welcome everyone... and if you wouldn't mind putting in chat,

who you are... what area of the college you represent/ 
work in... Karla has 2 people... [chuckles]  how cute is that?  


---Karla Lombana:
Yes, this is why my camera is often off... because 
I'm usually like picking her up or putting her down... 

and it ends up being embarrassing...
but yeah, this is Eleanor... say hi.


---Rita Lennon:
Hi, Eleanor... nice to meet you.

All right... so, just continue to add those "who 
you are" to the chat... we'll keep going here.

We do have March meeting minutes that we need to review and
approve... we'll do that on the end... at the end of the meeting.  

We are not reviewing them... they're just posted for you to
review, if you haven't reviewed them before, senators...

and then we will vote on them at the end of the meeting.

Next item is requests for agenda 
modifications or executive session.

Are there any requests


---James Sheldon:
Hi, um...


---Rita Lennon:
James... I'm sorry... yes, okay.


---James Sheldon:
Yeah... this is James Sheldon... I wanted to request to add to
the agenda some space to talk about the Chancellor's response

to the faculty concerns that we raised at the last meeting...


---Rita Lennon:
Okay.


---James Sheldon:
and I was thinking, just under the business section, since
it looks like we have a little bit of time available in that section.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay, absolutely... we'll go ahead and make that modification and are 
there any other requests for modification Denise


---Denise Reilly:
I'd like to request in the business 
section, to re-review minutes approval.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay.


---Denise Reilly:
Can I put in question?


---Rita Lennon:
Yeah, absolutely... thank you so much ...okay...
so, we have 2 additions to our business section...

the Chancellor's responses, I'm just going to
add it to that... James I'm gonna make you the...

I'm gonna have you spearhead that
discussion, if you don't mind...


---James Sheldon:
Sounds good.


---Rita Lennon:
And then, we are going to review meeting
minutes protocol... how about that?

And Denise I'll ask you to spearhead that conversation.

Okay... very good.

And now we'll move on to the next,
which is requests for open forum.

Any announcements and this 
can be any faculty member.


---Xavier Segura:
I do Rita.


---Rita Lennon:
Hello... go ahead.


---Xavier Segura:
All righty... so, I want to give a huge shout out and thank you
to the Student Life workers, as well as the peer mentors,

who did a fantastic job hosting JADE, the Justice Advocacy
and Dialogue Empowerment conference, that was held...

and for the first time FEMA's breaking barriers by having 2 dual
enrollment students out of the workforce division participate

in these college-led events... so, major shout out to a lot 
of the Student Life advisors, as well as the peer mentors,

the student workers, as well as the leadership,
for putting this together... so, great job.


---Rita Lennon:
That's great... I hope many of you were able 
to attend... I was unfortunately not able to attend,

it conflicted with something
else I had on my schedule.

So... are there any other announcements that we would like to make
or open forum... anything whatsoever before we move forward

Unfortunately, when we're...


---Brooke Anderson:
Okay Rita... I'll just... a quick shout out that the EGTSS
Summit is happening on April 28th... whoo-hoo!

It's going to be awesome... the theme is community making... and so,
I hope everyone can attend... and encourage your students to attend.

There will also be an open mic that Hunter and I
are hosting, during the summit at 3:10 to 4:10...

so, if you have students, who would like to share their creative work,
please encourage them to reach out to me, to get on that open mic list...

and they can also... we have people that are sharing like,
posters from their MAS classes, things like that too...

that relate to the theme of community
making... so, should be a great day.


---Rita Lennon:
Fantastic... and Brooke I know you're not feeling
very well, so I hope you're feeling better soon.

Any other announcements?  This is where we
can give kudos to students or to other team players, 

 team members, other divisions, departments.

Well, I have one... so, for the first time ever, we have 21
students who will be receiving a scholarship from...

the NC3 Signing Day... so, that is huge because,
you know, this is a nationwide day... signing day... 

we're not the only ones who participate in it at this time...
and for 21 of our students to be receiving a scholarship.  

Now, we're not... we don't have the names of the students...
they're going to be making an announcement at signing day...  

which is on April 20th, if you're
not aware... Downtown Campus...

and I just think that's so amazing that we're going to have 21
of our students, who are going to get money... that's awesome.

Of the 50 awards... wow, thank you Morgan for sharing that...
so, 21 out of only 50 Awards... so, more than half...

no, not... well, yeah... wow, my math went wait, wait, wait, what...  [laughs]
I see all the math people going really Rita give me a break.  [laughs]

If you asked me to do a statistic I'd be able to do that...
but not out of numbers... awesome, all right, anyone else?

Okay... if not, we'll go ahead and move
into our report section of the meeting...

and we are... well, we're right on time... so, the Provost
report is first... and Provost, you have the floor.  


---Dolores Duran-Cerda:
Thank you Rita... thank you everyone... I hope you're doing 
well... it's a Friday... happy Friday... I'm here at the West Campus...

I'm... Rita was gracious to move me up in
the agenda because I'll need to leave you, 

because I'll be in the student senate forum, and
they've invited me and some other administrators  

to answer some questions that they have... so, but 
we have other folks here from academic affairs,  

who will be here in case you have questions later on in the senate
meeting... so you all should have received the monthly update...

first of all, I'd like to pay tribute to a couple of
faculty members, who have passed away...

the first one is Ann Tousley, who was an adjunct faculty
in writing... you see a little write-up in tribute to her... 

and so, we're very sorry that she has left us, but she's left a legacy
and really played a crucial role at the college in the writing department.

One that... another unfortunate passing that
happened, that did not make it in this update,  

that hopefully we can include it in the email version,
is a former faculty member in counseling, Ed Duperret...

don't know... maybe some of you remember Ed... very much
active, involved in the community and in the interest of

Pima Community College... and the open admissions...
keeping it as an open admissions institution...

and he and I became good friends and would meet for coffee
periodically... and so, unfortunately he passed away unexpectedly

about a week ago or so... so, we're going to miss him a lot... he
was one of the founding faculty members of the college too. 

In addition to that, we have several pieces 
here in the in the update to share with you...

and I think Rita, you're going to be talking about the
Data Summit 2.0 that occurred this last week, I believe...

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so, I believe was more towards department heads and Deans...
and so, I won't talk... I'll let it... I'll let Rita talk about it...

but I wasn't able to attend because I was at a conference,
but I understand it went really, really well...

and it's important to continue having these Data
Summits... it was led by Michael Parker and Jeff Thies...

and Ozlem and STAR and Vanessa Arellano... so, thank you for
for coordinating that, and really taking the time to look at data,

and understanding and how it impacts... how we
can use data to impact positively our students.  

I went to the HLC conference... the several members... 
faculty senate leadership, also joined...

and we learned a lot about the Higher Learning
Commission, and various criteria and updates on things...

and then they had... they have not only talking about 
compliance and accreditatio, but other pieces, such as,  

faculty advising, program review, all kinds of 
topics... so, it was a very interesting conference.

I also just came back from the American Association of Community
Colleges conference in Denver, that's the AACC conference...

and I did want to share... I went to several sessions, but one of them is
from the Aspen Institute... Josh Wyner, who's one of the leaders there...

and the session was called, "intensifying community
college's focus on post graduate success."

So, for many years, we were... community colleges were focused
on access... then it was access and student success...

then it evolved to access, success, and completion...
and now it's adding on post-completion.

So, what happens after they graduate?  So, do they transfer to a 4-year institution... do they get a job?

So, he was saying that Community College
enrollments for the past 10 years have declined...  

even more intensified with the pandemic... but this gives
us an opportunity to rethink our strategies of enrollment...

and he says that one of the bright spots is actually dual
enrollment...  that is really going to be a lot of focus

for many community colleges, because they've done
studies where dual enrollment students are successful,

they are more apt to complete when they go to a community college,
and not only complete their community college degree,

but go on and transfer to a 4-year institution... so, they're
seeing that success... that streamlining process. 

And so, I think this is an opportunity for us because,
for Pima, we've really increased our dual enrollment.

So, let's use that as a a bright spot where we can delve into
it and help our students transition from dual enrollment,

to regular Pima students, to transferring,
or if they would like to get a position, a job.

Josh Wyner also mentioned that when we talk about Workforce, that
we also need to think of transfer... is also considered as Workforce...

because once they transfer and graduate,
they're going to into the workforce.

So, just a little bit of different perspective and
looking at transfers as also part of Workforce.

So, those were some key highlights for that particular session...
I won't go much further... I wanted to remind everyone,

and to invite you again, to join us for our 2nd Academic
Affairs Forum that will take place on April 14th...

I think it's next Friday, in the morning... last time it was after
faculty senate meeting, and it was in late in the afternoon...

it was a gorgeous day... so, I understand if you didn't attend... but
we'd really like to encourage your attendance for this one as well.

We had a great time with the first one, in that we had
breakout sessions, and we talked about best practices

that you should share with your fellow colleagues...
so, we're going to be doing something similar again  

for the April 14th Academic Affairs Forum... so, please 
join us we're looking forward to seeing you there.  

And the last thing I just wanted to say is
to thank you again for all of your work...

I know this is a stressful time right now, with finals
approaching soon, and a lot of grading that's taking place...   

So, just know that I'm thinking of you and am grateful for what
you're doing in the classroom, outside of the classroom,

your committee work, your community work... and know that you're
not just teaching, but you're also helping students in so many ways

and so many holistic levels... because it is a stressful time 
for them too... and I know you're helping them to navigate

through their own issues that may not be related to
the actual class, but life in general... so, I appreciate that.

So, with that I will pass it back to Rita and I'm going
to go join students in the student senate forum.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you... enjoy that.


---Dolores Duran-Cerda:
Thank you.


---Rita Lennon:
You're welcome... thank you... okay, so our next report is from
student affairs... and we have Jennifer Madrid... you have the floor.  


---Jennifer Madrid:
Thank you Rita... and thank you, I'll also be 
attending the student senate Town Hall...

so, thanks for rearranging things for me as well... I wanted
to first thank Xavi. for the shout out to Student Life...

Student Life reports up through student affairs... so, I'm definitely gonna share that information with them...

I'm sure they'll be really happy
to hear that... so, thank you.

The first item I was going to mention is the 
student senate Town Hall... it's today from 2 to 4

here at West Campus in the cafeteria area... 
and I know that this meeting goes on until 3...  

but senate... the student senate town hall is from
2 to 4... so, you can still join virtually if you'd like to

I'm actually going to put a link in the chat to the document that I
have these notes on my... on my updates, that you can follow along...

or you can refer back to later... but I did post the Town Hall flyer
in here... and there's a link to Pima engage, which is where  

you would go to RSVP for the event and get that
Zoom link... so, if anybody would like to chime in

to that event later, you're certainly welcome 
to do that... they're... we're also going to have a  

presentation on baccalaureate degrees...
towards the end of the of the Town Hall.

The next item is the Advising Appreciation Week...
so, student affairs will host Advisor Appreciation Week, 

April 17th through the 20th... so, we did have all of our enrollment
advisors, program advisors, and academic success counselors,  

record videos of themselves, to
share with their student caseloads...

and they're talking about, you know, where they went
to school, why they became an academic advisor,  

what they love about their job, and then
that's to drive summer and fall registration...

and to, you know, solicit students to make advising
appointments, but also to go to our tables

that we'll be having at the Campuses that week... because 
we will have information and snacks for students.  

The next thing is National Student Employment Week... that
is actually being given or being put on by our financial aid...

our office of financial aid and scholarships...
but student affairs is also joining that effort...

so, this coming Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, April 10th through
12th, at East Campus, West Campus, and Downtown Campus...

from 10 to 2... we're going to have tables to appreciate our
student workers, and also get the word out about positions

that are open for the next academic year... so, specifically for
student affairs, we have positions open in 1st year experience,  

student life, and student affairs... so, please let your students
know, if they're interested in getting a job on campus...

it's a great way for them to meet more people, get connected
to the college, in ways... other ways than academics.

There's an annual leadership recognition award ceremony that will be
taking place on Wednesday, May 3rd, at Downtown Campus in the evening

and so, there is information here, because faculty 
and staff and students can nominate students  

or clubs or organizations for an award... so,
there's information here on the nomination form...

and then also to submit your nomination... and the
submission of nomination closes on April 18th...

and there's information here on how to
do that through Pima engage as well.

And the last update I have is, Fall registration opens
on Monday... Summer registration is already open...

so, please encourage students to meet with their academic advisor,
that's really important... so that they can check in on their...

on their academic plan... make sure they're on track... and 
there's a link in the document where students can connect  

to their advisor's calendar and schedule that
appointment... so, thank you very much everyone.


---Rita Lennon:
Jennifer, thank you so much for being
here and giving us the information.

So, gosh... Monday... ready for Fall... that's awesome... okay, good to know.

All right... well, the next report is mine,
so I'll go ahead and get started on that.

First of all... emeritus nominations... oh, I haven't received
any... so, if you want to nominate a faculty for emeritus,

please get that information to me... hey, I see you're still here...
so, if we can have a little bit of an extension, I would appreciate that...

so that we can get some nominations in to,
you know... in to you, and through the process.


---Kate Schmidt:
Yeah... I think we had this conversation... there are actually 2
deadlines a year, and I think... you know... a couple years ago,

we tried to refine that a little bit, but it didn't move forward... I see
this as anything that comes now, is just early for the next deadline.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay... that would explain...


---Kate Schmidt:
We will process them when we when we get them... I think one
of the challenges with this April deadline is that it ends up...

they end up sort of being ready by August, and
faculty aren't usually back for that board meeting...

so we've extended it anyway... so that they're
honored at the September board meeting...

so that their peer... you know, peers... or
former peers... can come to that meeting.

So, I don't think that there's a great concern 
about the deadline, since it's twice a year... 

we'll just process them as they come.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay, sounds good to me... thank
you so much for that reminder.

And I'm gonna do a little screen share here, because the
stuff I have to tell you is actually from my perspective...

so, even though the Provost had mentioned that I'm going
to talk about the 2nd Annual Data Summit... it's just for me...

my perspective as being in attendance, not that I had
anything to do with creating that, or developing it,  

or implementing, or any of that kind of stuff... so, let's 
see if I can get this to work... are you gonna work?  

It's not working... there we go... of course,
[unintelligible]  all of them at once.

So, the first thing that I wanted to share was that, we did have a Futures
Conference... many of you were in attendance and I appreciate that...

it was in March, early March... you know, this is where
we gather information for our next strategic plan...   

we had internal and external stakeholders, we had
board members there, we had community students...

there was lots of people, who
were providing information.

The first thing that we did was, we set the tone by playing
a little game called "The Thing From the Future"...

and then we also needed to think outside 
of the box and be creative while we were  

thinking about short and long term goals for the institution...
considering all of the issues and concerns that we have.  

There were 2 other opportunities to play the game,
and I hope that you were able to do that...

one was just yesterday... and then,
one was I think, late March.  

And my encouragement is... if you've never participated
in the Futures Conference, to try to do that next year...

I do believe... this year we had a virtual and an in-person
option... so hopefully, we'll be able to continue that next year.

I'm not on that committee who creates that, but
you know, if that's something you'd be interested in,

I would happily get that information to
those who are designing that next year.

Also, I was able to attend the HLC conference
and I want to share with you that,

when I was telling people that I was going to this, or that I had gone
to it, I heard a lot of... oh, is it just about compliance and policy?

And although of course there is a lot of sessions around
those 2 topics, it is not only about those 2 topics...

in fact, I would say that the sessions that I was
able to attend, were more about student learning...

and then also, to centralize our processes... that was
like, the central theme of the sessions that I attended...

from you know... registration, enrollment, retention, 
program review, learning outcomes, all of those things...

was really just a centralized... looking at it from a holistic, and you
know, a cycle... not just like, broken into, just different pieces.

So, I think that's an important thing for us to consider...
really, what was the theme though is, you know...

we do not have the patient... or not the patients...
but the students that we've always been used to...

and we need to consider, and be more creative... and
every student that we can retain, you know, for retention...

is more important... or as important, I should say, as those
who are trying to recruit and enroll into the institution.

So, that was an important theme... and I know that our administrators
have been mentioning that a time or 2 at meetings...

so, I think it's something that we really need, as
faculty, to start considering... and what can we do?

So, in my meetings and conferences, I've noticed that,
you know, I want to be a part of everything... [chuckles]

and I'm sure that a lot of us feel that way... where we're like,
 I can... I can be a part of this... and I can be a part of that.

But really, I want us to think of like, what's our circle
of influence, and where can we do the most good?

And then, how can we also ensure that our other
faculty members are participating as well as us.

I've said this in meetings with our administration where, you know,
if we are only just a few of us participating in every single committee...  

then our perspective and our viewpoint is very 
narrow... but if we have most of our faculty,  

who are participating in our committees, then we 
have a wide view of perspective, we have a large voice. 

So, I encourage you, if you know someone, who is
in your team... in your division... in your department...

who is not yet participating in a committee...
please, please encourage them to do so.

Finally, this... the Data Summit... I was a 
little saddened to see that there were 120...  

and this is information that Jeff Thies and 
Michael Parker had shared... so I don't,

I think it was around 120... it might have been 117... it might 
have been around there... but about 120 people RSVP'd...

and only about 30 of us showed up... so, I would love to
see that the next time we have this type of Data Summit,

that we have more availability... or we
have more people who are attending...

you know, it was an in-person summit and it was at
Desert Vista... it was on a Friday but it could have...  

that could have been a reason why
so many people weren't able to attend...

the people who I spoke with, they said... well I didn't realize that
it was in person, so I signed up for it... and then later realized...

so maybe we need to do something with announcements,
you know, as far as as getting that information out...

but here are the goals... I'm not going to read them
to you... I think we did a lot... it was eye-opening...

the data that we were able to look at... and how well we're doing
in some courses... and how we could do better in others.

so, I will share my slides with all of you... I just didn't want
to take too much time... I think I'm out of time right now.  

But I did want to share all that information with you... and I
will stop sharing now... and we will go on to the next report.

If you have any questions about any of that though, please feel
free to throw that in the chat and I'll answer them as I can.

Oh, my apologies... I do have one more announcement... I'm
so sorry... there will be a Gen Ed study session on May 12th.

I know that's getting close to the end of semester, but
that was when they were available, and we were as well.

It's going to be from 1:00 to 2:30 in the afternoon... and those
who will be leading that are Michael Parker and Josie Milliken...

so, we will hopefully have you there... and I'll give
you more information about that here coming soon.

Okay, moving on to our next report, that will
be with Brooke Anderson, you have the floor.


---Brooke Anderson:
Thank you Rita... hi everyone, just a couple of quick 
announcements... just following up with the work  

that we've been doing on the Reproductive Rights 
Study Session... we are meeting with with Kate,

that's kind of like at the last time... turned into some
suggestions for syllabus template revisions...

and syllabus recommendations that we created 
with Josie... so, we have a meeting scheduled for... 

I think it's April 17th... Karla and Kelly and 
myself and Kate are going to be talking about  

some of the things that have come from that work... 
and then the ad hoc committee met with Nina Corson

last meeting and shared the work that we've been doing in a
survey that we created... and Nina shared a survey she's created.

We also heard from Liz from PimaOnline in a document she
had created... and had some really good rich conversation...

and we have kind of disbanded that committee for the time
being, and Nina... and kind of passed that work along to Nina...

and my understanding is... she has recruited people, I think
that closed on Mar... at the end of last month March 31st,

if you were interested in participating in that committee... and then,
I haven't heard anything yet about who has actually been selected,

I imagine they're probably in the process of selecting a nice
diverse range of people to serve on that committee, to...

I think the timeline is sort of... to start some work now... do some
work over the Summer, if you remember from the email sent out...  

and then get some feedback in the fall... and 
Implement by the end of the Academic Year.

And then, ACC is really working on shared governance... and so,
that will come later in the business section of our meeting today.

All right... that's it for me... thanks.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you... okay, we'll move on to our next report, which is with...
the Governing Board report with Denise... you have the floor.


---Denise Reilly:
Sorry... finding my stuff... hello... welcome and thank 
you Rita... so, my report has to do with a few things...  

as we all know the Governing Board has
changed pretty significantly from last year...

and some of the positions have changed...
some of the tone in the meetings has changed...

so, I've been watching this for a few years now and giving you
different updates... and so, this is just going to go along with  

what has been discussed in the past... I want
to just be clear though, that in the last 2 years, 

my role is as a conduit for faculty... so, I represent... and Sean
represents before me... he serves as the adjunct board rep...

so, he speaks for 5 minutes about adjunct faculty concerns or thoughts
or any ideas, and he shares that... and he submits his own report.

So, I speak after him on behalf of all faculty... but with a lens for
full-time faculty... and I've mentioned that in the last few months  

with the changeover of some of the members, 3 new Board
members, that the dynamics have significantly changed...

they've been fairly positive overall... there seems to be, and a lot of
that is driven by the Board chair, who's a former faculty member...

so you can kind of see, it's like someone... it's like seeing an
experienced, amazing teacher, just work the room in the meeting...

and it's just it's fabulous to watch, because it seems
like a collaborative group very interested in learning  

about the processes and procedures from all 
perspectives, from everybody at the college.

And so, in speaking with you, and in speaking with 
them, I'm speaking on behalf of this group here...  

so, any ideas or thoughts that are big
concerns, are those that I bring forward...

and over the last year, the goals for faculty senate officers,
which came from this group, have been... shared governance,  

transparency and open communication... as well as, internal
processes and procedures, to be worked on and updated...

and so, with that... I wanted to mention something
that was kind of interesting in this last meeting...

Dr. David Bea had shared a presentation related to the class
& comp... and that was possibly in a study session as well...

and some of the... some of the things shared, were related
to overall salaries and packages, and what it looked like...

and that was in a recent study session as well, which many of
us attend... and one of the things that I found interesting was that

2 of the Board members had requested for 
administrative salaries to be parsed out from...

as faculty salaries are separated... staff are 
kind of lumped all together... so, that's everything  

from hourly to directors... at least from
what I understood from the information...

and I thought that was an interesting one... as we know,
leaders have to challenge the process and I'm seeing that,  

quite a bit of that, as you watch the Board...
they're challenging... asking great questions...  

asking for rationale and reasons behind ideas,
contracts, everything from old ways of doing things,

to wanting to know more information... and it's
much appreciated... I think that's along with what...

the lines of what we're looking at... so, if 
this group as a faculty group and I know there's  

many others here that are not faculty, but would like to support
that, and would like me to continue to advocate for that...

this idea of parsed out salaries and transparency... please let
me know... I have had emails from fellow faculty senators...

and faculty, asking why the salary lookup tool is still
not functioning right now... it hasn't been updated,

and no salaries are visible for this last year... and I think that...
that's one of the things that we're talking about that's not visible,

it's not something that anyone can see, why is that?  Is it a
function of the college?  Is it a process or is it not transparent?

And so, I think we'd like to continue seeing that... another thing that's
been brought up a couple times in the last few Board meetings

has been the idea of 1 to 12 ratio for staff... and 1 to 50 ratio for
faculty... and the overall tone that I'm gathering from faculty,

is that a lot more is being pressured and put and 
put and put upon faculty... and it's kind of like  

this idea of wanting the pressure off... but one of the things
to look at is, where's the 1 to 12... where's the 1 to 50...  

where did those numbers come from... and
what are we looking at in terms of that?

So, if this is something that this group would like to continue
to see... and I know most of the time in these meetings

we get presentations and presentations... that is something
I'm happy to advocate on behalf, because it seems like

something that the board is requesting... and I just want to say
that I'll continue to advocate for whatever are the big concepts

and big ideas that we'd like to see moving forward... especially
as we come to the end of the school year... and that's all, thank you.


---Rita Lennon:
Denise, thank you so much for your report.

If that is something you're interested in, I guess
we should probably have a way for them to reach out...

so, Denise... do you want them just to reach out to you specific or
place it in chat... reach out to

---Denise Reilly:
Sure... if you're in agreement with that... if we want to ask
more about funding... or the 1 to 50, or anything like that...

I'm happy for you to email me...
or place it in the chat right now,

and I'll gather that feedback and include it
in an oral report in the future... thank you.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you.

Okay... our next report is with the PCCEA 
report, with Makyla... you have the floor.


---Makyla Hays:
Hi, okay... so, I did not put together a 
written report this month, that's on me...

but there has been several things going on... first one,
I just wanted to share, I was able to attend NEA,

which is the National Education Association's higher ed
conference this March and it was a really interesting,

neat event to go and meet other faculty, and
some administrators, throughout the country,

who are working in an institution similar to ours...
and kind of hear about the advocacy things

they're looking at across the country... and make some
connections... for your benefit, which was really cool...

and get connected with some external, you know,
friends, I guess... and information sharing...

it was... it was a really interesting and neat conference.

When I came back, I was able to go to the 
Governing Board session... a study session...

over spring break... I sent everybody an email... so, if you 
did not see an email from me about that study session,  

search my name in your email, and it's probably sitting there...
but it is the Governing Board study session on class & comp,

so, it was almost completely focused on class & comp... David Bea
presented for a bit, and then myself, and Ricky for non-exempt staff

were able to be present to present... for the AERC perspective...
and I was presenting, kind of, as the faculty perspective 

on what didn't go perfect during the last process...
what led to the grievance and the complaints...

and what impacts did those have... 
and how could they have gone better?

So, we did put together a summary of concerns... and then
I was able to kind of present those concerns to the Board...

it was about 40 minutes of being able to just tell them what
happened... and why there was concern about that process...

and how we would like to move
forward with that in the future...

and it was really awesome to be able to have that voice with the
Board... and to bring that perspective and work towards solution.

And they all seemed very open to listening, to hearing,
and asking follow-up questions, which was great.

So again, if you haven't seen my email on that one, please
do go through and look at it... also I told Miss Maria Garcia,

that I would share back with you, that she values the
employee voices... and the value that we all bring to students

and that was echoed several times... but I
specifically... she asked me to share that with you...

and I linked that direct link to her comment in that email, so good
job to you all... the Board wants you to know that they care

about the work you're doing...
so, that was then... and then...

there was one more thing I was going to bring
up, and I'm trying to remember what it was.

Oh... we're still working through the AERC, to work on the 
faculty salary structure and we seem to be moving forward...  

you know, with testing it out and seeing how
plausible... possible it may be to implement.

I had emailed out about this a while back... and we're
going to be doing some more communication with you

coming at some point in the hopefully near future...
but those conversations are ongoing.

So, our focus right now is really, just making sure
that we have an understandable and fair system,

that everybody kind of knows where we're at,
that it's equitable, and that the structure of AERC

values the voice of employees for everybody.

Lisa that is still in discussion,
but it is very likely to happen.

and now when I say that... the reason I say hopefully that's
there is... we're talking about moving to a different structure...  

so, let me explain, because apparently it's not super clear...
but we are currently being paid on a 20-step structure,

with 2.25% increases per step, right... when all of the things came out,
the staff are being paid on more of a 16 years, from bottom to top...

that's closer to 3% increases... so, in order to look for 
internal equity and the fact that we don't have  

that Masters plus 60 column anymore in the current 
schedule we're being paid on... the faculty on AERC...  

and this is all linked in my tracker... you can click 
on it and you can look at the presentation, it is...  

I'm not trying to hide it from anyone... and I know there's
a million things... but it is there, you can go look at it...

or email me and I'll send it to you... but we've proposed
a 16 step schedule, that puts it at 2.9 percent,

which is closer to the 3% staff are getting, between each thing...
it still respects market medians... it's still about the minimum

and the maximum of the old one... and it has a little bit
more consistency between columns as you go up...

and so, we are looking at the cost of moving everybody
over to that... and also moving up a year of experience...  

but because we're going from 20 steps to 16 steps, 
and everything... there's going to be people,

who may not move as much as they normally would have...
so, we're kind of looking at how much did everyone move 

over 2 years and trying to keep that to be a little bit
more equitable... I hope that makes a bunch of sense...

we're going to put together a whole presentation and send that out...
but that is the gist of the idea and probably the biggest impact

of all of the things that we're negotiating at the moment.

Randy, I'm guessing you have a question about
what I was just saying...  [chuckles]  I'm happy...


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
Should be about... I was just the time
watcher, until we tried to figure out a polite


---Makyla Hays:
it's time?


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
way to do that... so I was just letting
you know you had the 1 minute warning... so, thank you.


---Makyla Hays:
Awsome.


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
I hate to do that, but just so you know... today, if you
see my hand go up, that's the warning for a 1 minute...


---Makyla Hays:
Awsome.


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
Thank you.


---Makyla Hays:
No worries... Lisa it's... we're looking at budgetary impact and 
what we can do... and the best that we can do for the most...

there would... it's likely to have some sort of minimum increase
again... but we got to get this thing in a system that makes sense

and then we can start working on pushing that cap up further... so,
it may not happen this year, but you should be getting something.

Hope that helps.  [laughs]


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you Makyla... I assume that's your time, okay. 

There were quite a few questions and 
comments in chat... I will do my best to get  

those gathered for you, so that you can 
have them as part of your presentation.


---Makyla Hays:
How awesome... thank Karen to answer for that one.


---Rita Lennon:
That is... that's great... one thing I do want to point out
is that Jason Brown says that staff on 8 years here

are also supporting this idea... so, that's 
that's nice to have that support from staff.

Okay... so, we have our next report, which is the 
adjunct report, and Sean you have the floor.


---Sean Mendoza:
Thank you... so, the link that... for the most part, today's... my report
is that Dolores came by to go visit with... a visit with us, adjunct faculty.

She spent the bulk of the time really answering... typically,
the specific questions that we provided to her.

Also,  what she said to adjunct faculty as well... so, there's a...
there's a time stamp, to kind of... if you want to go forward...  

and to where she answers those 
questions... you can do that.

So, that... and then there was some discussion... actually, we
didn't get a chance to get to that... to the governance component...

that is gonna be an item that's going to be discussed later on...
so, I will do my best to stay online for that discussion...  

and... but I might not be able to make it...
may not be able to make it Rita...

So, let's see... you know, one of the things... the big
takeaway that I wanted to just mention to everyone

because it's really more of a thank you to the
full-time faculty and also to administration.

One of the things that came up... and this is something
that Patrick Moore, one of the AERC reps, came up with...

he was taking... there was a survey that went out... and he was crunching
the numbers... and he was sort of, you know... he was expecting

adjunct faculty to say... hey, you know, we need more... need more
compensation... more of, you know, benefits... that kind of thing.

But he... but after the numbers, he found that adjunct faculty,
I guess, you know... felt that they were happy with what they had.

It was Administration... it was our our full-time peers,
really saying... no, adjunct faculty deserves more.

So, I just wanted to say, on behalf of the adjunct faculty,
thank you, for being there... and for being advocates for us.

So, I just want to just say that... and I can think you
might be able to hear the rooster now... crowing.

So, I think it's time for me to...
time for me to go here.


---Rita Lennon:
That's great is that he has his own internal 
clock... [laughs]  awesome... okay... oh...


---Sean Mendoza:
That's Ming by the way... say hello.



---Sean's Ming:
Hello.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay... so our last report is our TLC
report and Elliot you have the floor.


---Elliot Mead:
Awesome... thanks Rita... hi, everyone... so, I encourage 
you to click on the link in the agenda because  

that's my report, and it will have a link to the 
WorldwideTeaching for Climate Injustice...

that'll take you to the TLC web page for that event, which 
is this Monday so if you can make it to Downtown Campus

 or by Zoom, we would love to see you... 
there's a great lineup of speakers and panelists. 

Our new director of The Office of Sustainability will
be running a really cool climate change simulator...

we'll be doing, you know, we've got the folks lined
up at Downtown to do tours... and talk about

the sustainable elements of the new building and the
construction there... it's just going to be an awesome event...

and we would love to see you bring your classes.

Let's see... we're also equally stoked... you'll see
I'm reading here... we're also equally stoked...

because our first cohort of tech champions is wrapping up,  
and when I say our, I mean, in collaboration with PimaOnline's

awesome alt team... so, this was a small team of
faculty, who worked with Adam and Brad in the CLT

to learn about what it really takes to adopt new 
ED technology... what are the things to look for...  

and they did their own reviews, and are bringing 
them back to the team... so, we're really excited,  

we've learned a lot about that program and we're 
thinking about what to do better next year from it.

We're also elbow deep in co-planning some 
events and messages of appreciation...

so, Faculty Appreciation Week is coming up at the beginning of May,
 and so along with. you know, the Student Worker Appreciation,

and the Advisor Appreciation... now is the time to give thanks...
so, we hope that you look for some ways to participate in that.

We're hoping to create, you know, messages
and start circulating, just our our thanks...

and so, part of that is, if you know someone, if you're like,
boy... and I'm seeing, you know, 18 people in the room...

everyone that I know in this room right now... and that's
excluding those of you but I don't know very well...

so, I'm sorry... I'm sure you're also on this list... I want to give you a note of appreciation... let's share that with one another.

So... yeah, we're... you know... look for those messages soon... and
let's, you know... let's all give each other hugs at the end of the semester.

So, for our students... for our amazing student
workers, for our amazing advisors, and for us too.

Let's see... I also want to mention that there are 2 faculty
fellow roles open in My Career Center right now...

one is for Faculty Learning Academy, right... so, if you're like...
hey, you know, I would really like to shape this, you know...

I want to get my hands in... new faculty, start mentoring them,
you know, conduct that program, put in your application...  

the other is for ACUE, the Association of College 
and University Educators... that's a pilot program...  

you would be directing, along with in collaboration with our amazing
Division of College Readiness & Student Success, and Dean Jeff Thies.

You'd be working on that pilot program, it's a pro...
it's kind of like a professional development program,

and we're looking for a coordinator for that... and then, we
would have a cohort of people move through that program.

If you're interested in either one of those, or you would just
kind of want to know more... please don't hesitate to reach out,

we'll be glad to talk with you about what
either of those roles would entail.

And then, finally... this time of year, we do start winding
down... thinking about, you know, where we've been,

and where we're going to do... or where we'd like to go... so, this is
the time of year when we're doing a lot of brainstorming, imagining,

program planning, and hopefully developing, for next year...
so, a couple of things in the works for that, are just that,

we've been looking at a lot of data and feedback...
and we're focusing on expanding our DEIJ programming...

I've got many proposals to do things out there... one of them, and
hopefully we'll... hopefully, one of my plans will go through  

and we'll be talking about how we can develop a
statement of inclusive teaching for us, to kind of guide our...   

our endeavors and our programmatic
development in the TLC...

as well as, how they can... that statement might inform our
own practices and curriculum throughout our disciplines.

We're also looking at... we're not looking at... 
I've been looking at... and we'll hopefully start  

developing a much more robust plan to assess our 
effectiveness in the Teaching and Learning Center...  

and we'll be working on mapping a lot of our 
internal processes as part of a larger college plan.

So, we've done so much work over the past 
what, 4 years in the TLC... we've grown so much...  

and now is the time to really start solidifying 
all of the programming and the planning...  

and making that more transparent... so that 
way, we can better identify places of need.

So, I think that's my time... and thanks so much.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you... so, we are ahead of schedule by 10 minutes, that's
wonderful... but we'll go ahead and just keep rolling through

since we've added 2 things to our business section as well... so, we... the next thing in our business section we have  

is a presentation on fraudulent student 
updates... and Elvia Bow, you have the floor.


---Elvia Bow:
Thank you so much... hi, everybody... thank you for 
inviting me to your very efficiently run meeting, I love it.

And today I want to talk a little bit about
fraud... not so much at presentation,

but giving you some updates and
letting you know where we are now.

As you know, when we were overrun with fraud in the Fall, we had
an emergency response, and a lot of groups came together.  

We had our IT, registrar's office, student affairs, 
working with the academic side of the house...

and what you all were seeing, to try to 
mitigate this fraud response.

Now that we've gone through a season of it, IT has
employed some very effective tools with our application

to mitigate new fraud students... they're using a tool 
called Experian to weed out fraudulent students  

before... before they ever get into Banner... so, that 
has helped a lot... we've had a review team, made up  

of mostly student affairs folks, who have been 
reviewing every single application that comes in.

And now, we are shifting our emergency response 
to a kind of a new normal response for fraud.

So, we're housing most of this in the registrar's office... obviously,
we're still working with IT and our student affairs folks,

and trying to understand what we need to do and shift... and analyze
all of this information, so that we can be continually responding.

So, what it looks like now is... we are just starting, as of
this week, no longer reviewing every single application,

since this Experian tool is doing a lot of that for us... so,
we expect to see much less fraud as we're going through...

and we know, even though that this has been working
through the Spring semester, we had some folks who got in

before we employed these tools, that we're getting in
in Spring... so as we go on, we hope to see less and less.

What I want to share with you... and some items that
I shared with Rita, that she may be able to share out

or link to your meeting minutes... the first one
I'll put in the chat, is our fraud reporting form...

so if you're seeing fraud in your classroom, this is the form 
to report that... I recommend to send it here because  

that flows into a spreadsheet... 3 folks in the
registrar's office are... have eyes on that now...  

and so, it's going to get... we'll get to it very timely... and
there's... you know, we can look at that and see trends...

I recommend that, as opposed to the email... obviously, if there's
an instance where you have several students in your class,

please let us know, because maybe we want to investigate the entire CRN... you can certainly email me if that is the case...

because we'll take a look at that all together if we have a
CRN... but because of these other things that we've employed

we're really hoping to see far
less of that... that is the hope.

I'm also going to link here for you, a video that I did a few weeks
back... a training that I did with the TLC... and it was on attendance...

but there was a large amount in there where we talked about fraud,
because obviously, your attendance reporting is affecting this...

and so, I just quickly wanted to point out a couple things... if you're
teaching online courses and you see duplicate discussion posts,

things that are copied, suspicious activity like that... that
very well may be fraud... and even if it's not, that's okay... 

I've had some that were sent to me... we checked it 
out, found out there are real students... no harm done. 

As well, if you have a student who has been
marked fraud... and that's a real student...

and they're coming to you and 
telling you they can't get into class...

they can email the registrar's office 
and we will make sure to fix them up.  

I do want to point out that that Google form 
that you report is located on our registrar site...  

I'm going to link our general registrar site on here too,
for you... but also if you email registrar@pima.edu...

or the attendance help email... you'll get an auto reply
and that fraud reporting link will be on that auto reply too.

So, there's a lot of ways you can find
that form... want to make it easy for you,

but if there's issues that you run
into in reporting, please let me know.

Now that we're shifting to this new model,
consolidating some of these efforts...  

as we go forward, then we're going to start looking at some of
the data, and working with IT to see... okay, what are we seeing...

do we need to tweak this Experian tool to make
sure someone... some more aren't getting in...

and that way we can come to you all with some
reports, like what has happened from Fall to now...

how we improved, what are we seeing, our efforts, you know,
working... and if there's any feedback you all have for us,

please let me know... you can reach out
to me anytime... we're always available...

we hope these tools make it
easy for you to report any fraud...

and we hope a lot of the efforts that many teams are
pulling together to make... are making a difference...

but if there's any questions, I'm happy to answer 
them... and you can always reach out anytime.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you... we'll open the 
floor to questions or comments.


---Elvia Bow:
And if not, that's great... if you take a look at
that video that I put on there just bookmark it...

there's a whole lot of information about attendance 
in general, NA's... all that kind of stuff...

but a lot of it's specific about fraud, people asking questions about
specific scenarios... so, I would recommend to take a look at that.


---Rita Lennon:
Very good... and I've shared all of this now with
the agenda... so, that's there too, as well as in chat...

thank you for sharing all
the links in chat as well.


---Elvia Bow:
Thank you.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay... if there's no questions,
we'll go ahead and move on.


---Lisa Werner:
Wait... wait... I had a question... I'm sorry.


---Rita Lennon:
My apologies, okay.  [chuckles]


---Lisa Werner:
Yeah...  [unintelligible]  'll try to make this real quick... I had
something that interfered with my ability to do an NA grade,

and have it fixed moments before the deadline... and that had to do
with... I had spurious attendance entries marking people present,

who I did not make those attendance entries... they 
were made on days when I do not take attendance... 

well before I start taking the attendance, because it's an
online course and I do my attendance once a week, 

and these were like, the first day of the class
for some of the students, just spuriously.

And I just wanted to bring that up because if that
happened to me, I'm sure it happened to other people...

and it could be that other people misunderstood the
situation... didn't properly report NA's and so forth.


---Elvia Bow:
Okay... for years I would probably take a look... at your
particular CRN and I haven't actually heard that before...  

I have heard cases where, you know, attendants had disappeared
or something but never anything marked without you doing that...

so, I can definitely take a look
into that but that's not...


---Lisa Werner:
Yeah... that's funny, because I had them disappear before too... I don't
think this is... I think this is the first time I've noticed this one...

but so, I will... I'll send you mine... okay.


---Elvia Bow:
Okay, sounds good.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay... thank you... any other questions comments

Oh, okay.

All right... well, we'll go ahead and move on...
Elvia, thank you so much for being here...

you're more than welcome to stay for the rest of the meeting if you
want to hear some amazing things that we're talking about...

because we're always talking about amazing things... or you know, if you
have other things you've got to get to I completely understand as well.

Okay... so, our next business item is shared governance presentation
and discussion... and we have Sean, John Wesley, and...

I'm sorry... Sean Mendoza, Jon Wesley, and Brooke Anderson
are here to speak about that...  you have the floor . 


---Brooke Anderson:
Thank you Rita... so, this is coming out of ACC... and
the ACC group is talking about shared governance...

in February Jeff came to speak with us about shared
governance... and we had some robust conversation...

and Jon Wesley volunteered to lead a working group for us on shared
governance... and what we really... what I'm talking about in ACC is,

how we define shared governance... what is the purpose
of shared governance at Pima?  How we document that.

So, for example... in our AP's and BP's, how are we
documenting our shared governance process?

Jeff also shared, when he presented to ACC in February,
that he does have some diagrams and things like that

about shared governance at Pima, that he could share with us
as well... and then, also thinking about, not only how do we

document it in our AP's and our BP's, but how are we measuring
our shared governance, to see how successful we're being.  

and so, there was some really important
points that came out of that... I've...

Jon is here as the lead of our work group, to share some 
ideas with you as well... so, I've got... I've got lots I could say,

but I think I'll pass it over to him first, before I share anything
more about what I've taken from the conversations

we've had at ACC, both in February, and then
 we continued the conversation in March.

So, John... you want to take it over... take it from here?


---Jon Wesley:
Yeah... let me... let me have Sean do his piece, if he wants to
say something there... and then I'll wrap it up for everybody.


---Brooke Anderson:
Okay... hey, Sean... how you doing?
You still hanging in there with us?

I know he's... he's 15 hours different than us tonight...
we might have lost him already... are you out there Sean?


---Sean Mendoza:
I figured this would be...  [unintelligible]


---Brooke Anderson:
You're breaking up.


---Sean Mendoza:
I am...  [cut off--no sound]

hear me?


---Brooke Anderson:
Yeah... I'm struggling... I don't know if everybody
else is, but...  [Rita breaking in "I... I"]


---Sean Mendoza:
Let me just... let me just put it in chat.
[random speech]


---Jon Wesley:
[chuckles]  All right then... Sean, drop
whatever you've got in the chat...

and then, I'm gonna go ahead and share a few
things with the group here.  [random speech]


---Sean Mendoza:
[rooster crowing]
[unintelligible]


---Jon Wesley:
Okay.


---Rita Lennon:
Yeah, John you have the floor.


---Jon Wesley:
Okay, thank you... okay, for those that don't know me I'm
Jon Wesley, I'm the chemistry specialist at West Campus...

also, the past chair for staff Council.

We in the All College Council were tasked with a number
of things... one being the definition of shared governance...

and assisting with creating the flow document for that...
and making sure that our... as Brooke mentioned...

making sure that our documentation reflects that...
and that our processes are correct.

Now... what I didn't know when I took this role on, is that, in
the 400 years or so, that education has been on this continent...  

no one has ever successfully
accomplished what we're trying to do.

There are a multitude of different definitions for what shared
governance in education should be, or wants to be...

but I am... I recall that I had shared a
comment from a person that had said that 

the nomenclature in fact is what tends to guide us down
a variety of paths, that make us pontificate endlessly

about who's more important, or who's higher
on the food chain... this sort of thing

And what it really should say, instead of shared
governance, should be shared responsibility...

that when we define what is being
shared, and what the responsibility is,

that it becomes clear what the mission is for the
different groups, and what the process should be.  

So, the thing that's... the responsibility is for providing
the mission of the college to the community...

providing that educational component to everyone for
every need as it's described in our mission statement.

And the shared part is that, there are multiple stakeholders in this
process and in our current definition, we include the governing Board...

we include the administrators... the staff...
the students, of course... the faculty... 

and in a recent event that I was at, talking
about a new Center of Excellence for Science...

we were questioning students about
what their most important concern is

as they go through education, and
what they are trying to get out of that...

and we only had a dozen or so students to be able to respond
to this... but the overwhelming response was they want a job...  

12 students, same answer, almost instantaneously.

So, we do serve a number of different things in the community...
but we can say that, for the overwhelming majority of the college

that we provide the service of educating 
people for the workforce in some form.

Now, what's not reflected in the definition or current
definition is that business... the business leadership,

and the leadership in the community, aren't
invited... or aren't mentioned in this process.

Now, it's clear that we interface with the number of large employers,
this sort of thing... that's why we have special programs...

and we've got the new Engineering building and the new
Automotive building, and those centers that are going forward.  

So, we clearly interfaced with these people,
but it's not really reflected in our process...

we don't have metrics for our completion of whether students
are actually coming in and getting jobs at the end...

and it doesn't really reflect what our responsibility
is to students in getting those jobs...

and I think that those are important talking points... now,
I don't want to take up a lot of time and I don't think this is

the forum for a large discussion on this, but we have started
a document, and I don't know that we can share it just now,

but we'll be sharing that out to the staff and the faculty to
comment on the document and try to fill in some of these

questions, add questions... and try to illuminate what
the definition really is for our shared governance... 

how we are approaching that... and that's what I 
wanted to bring forward to the Senate today.


---Brooke Anderson:
Thank you Jon... yeah... and so, you know, I just shared
the BP in the chat on governance at our institution,

which is where we probably are most clearly
defining what we mean by governance here...

and then, we have the AP actually for review
today, on governance, that follows that...

and one of the things that we've talked about at ACC
with Jeff, is kind of following on what Jon said...

is, you know, that govern... that AP is about AERC and we don't...
we don't have faculty senate, staff council, student senate,  

actually woven into those policies... that, you know, in
many ways... one of my comments on the BP or the AP is...

that actually should be an AP on AERC, not on shared
 governance... because AERC is just one of the ways

that we practice shared governance at this institution...
and so, this really... this conversation is coming to senate

just as a kind of heads up... and it maybe gathered just a little
bit of feedback, with our... the short amount of time we have

on what senators think, which we do in terms of shared
governance and, you know, how are we defining it...

what's its purpose... how are we measuring it...
how are we... how are we doing with that?

And we we do know... as Jeff said... that we really do
need to better align, what we actually do, with what our...

with what our structures and policies document that we
do... and we do have to include a lot of this in our HLC  

documentation coming up here... but he also said 
we should not only should we be doing that...

but maybe as a secondary step, after we send in our HLC
reports and things... that we need to think not only about...

you know, how are we documenting what we 
do... but is that actually what we want to be doing?  

Is that actually how we want shared governance 
to be functioning at this institution?  Yeah, Brandy. 


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
I'm just The Keeper of the time... that was my 
nice way to let you know... we're at the time.


---Brooke Anderson:
Oh...


---Rita Lennon:
Okay... I think collectively...


---Brooke Anderson:
So for...


---Rita Lennon:
Yeah, I think collectively you have 20 minutes...
so, that... was that her... the 10 minute warning?

Okay... so, we have another 10 minutes on this discussion.


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
My bad... I've never been a timekeeper
before... I take my job seriously though.


---Rita Lennon:
You sure do... you're doing a great job.


---Brooke Anderson:
Well that's actually perfect... so now, we have 10 minutes just for
some discussion, comments on shared governance at the college.

And I will just quickly say... and then I want to zip-it
and give people other people a chance to talk,

but you know what?  This definitely came up as we
were revising the charter... you know, that... you know...

okay, we've got our own ways that we do things... we've revised 
them to reflect what we actually do... but it's so disconnected...

it's like, faculty senate sits out here in outer space... and it's not
actually woven into the the college organizational structure.

Tal.


---Tal Sutton:
All right, thanks... so yeah, I think I can provide some context, because
this was something that I was interested in when I was an officer.

So, just to give maybe some historical context from my understanding...
is 1) for a while, faculty senate was listed as

in the standing list of standing committees that was
being operated... so, it was viewed as a committee

not as... particularly some aspect of shared governance.

2) in the... as I believe the origin of the ACC 
came from the idea that the current Chancellor  

had something like that at his previous institution, which
was significantly smaller and he wanted to try it out

and it didn't quite fit the mold for such a large institution
as PCC... but he's still I think wants to have it find

some sort of home and utility here... but it can't sort of
serve as like the primary form of shared governance,

which unfortunately is kind of what our BP and AP read like...
so, if you do read 106 the BP and 10601 for the AP...

they kind of read as essentially handbooks for the All
College Council... they don't mention staff council...

they don't mention faculty senate.  .. they don't mention 
the student senate... and when I was sitting on 

the ACC several years ago... when we were talking 
about creating kind of a flow chart of discussions... 

the thing that I had sort of proposed was to sort of have the 3
primary stakeholders of the college have their own pathways, 

which I think a lot of people kind of understand...
faculty senate's pathway would be through the Provost...

staff, and I think they sort of set it up as the staff
council's pathway would be through David Bea...

he was the representative on on the ELT for them...
and then, I had recommended that the ACC serve as

the vessel for students to be able to participate
in the shared governance process as well...

I mean, they're not employees, so that they can't really directly
partake in shared governance the way that employees do...

but I still think the... you know, in terms of serving your students best...
we would want to have have as much input from them as possible

So anyway, that's something that I had to sort of talked
about ages ago... whenever this conversation about

revamping shared governance comes up... I'm just always going to
sort of pipe it in my hand and sort of share that kind of perspective

that I think... because again... into... what
informs that... that suggestion of mine...

that I think the ACC would serve best as the
primary venue for students to reach out is...

that's when they've been most effective... if you think about the 
past several years... like the textbook cost task force,  

that kind of arose through the ACC... I mean a lot
of these student initiatives kind of come that way...

and I know that they've restructured it, so that there's
always a member of ELT sitting on ACC...

so, whoever the rotating ELT member is,
can be the ELT representative for students...

and it all... it kind of just inserts very nicely into 
a structure, that I think we could then hopefully,

encode through an AP, that doesn't just read
as like... the only thing that exists is the ACC...

maybe have like one AP for faculty senate, one for staff
council... and then, one for the ACC/student senate.

So anyway, that's my suggestion... and kind of what
I've... hopefully a little bit more context of what...

how things have been laid out in the past


---Brooke Anderson:
Thank you so much, Tal... yes, I remember
all of that from back in the day...

and yeah... still... this conversation continues, Rita.


---Rita Lennon:
Well, I just wanted to share the current... so, you're right...
I remember back when, Tal, you were president,

and you were making those conver... you know, you were sharing all of that information with us in senate meetings...

you know, the heads up... I think I'm calling it the wrong
thing, but it was the heads up initiative, that really, you know...

we took very seriously when we were creating It, and
discussing it, and implementing it, and it really went nowhere...

and I think that that's just such a misfortune...
because, like a lot of things that faculty ask for,

this is one of the things where we could... we need to be
at the table... we don't... not only need to be at the table,  

we need to be there from the beginning...
and a lot of times what ends up happening is

we hear this information in a presentation at a senate 
meeting after it's been... oh, we... we've realized the issue...  

we came up with the... you know... we got together and
came up with a decision, and here's our decision for you all.

Well, that can't be shared governance anymore... that's where we go
wrong... and I agree that our students need to have a voice as well.

What I wanted to share was that... you know... part of my
responsibility is as president is to meet with the chancellor...

and to meet with the Provost office... in one of my meetings
with the chancellor, I did share this about the ACC,

because I finally was part of the ACC when Denise had 
to go... well, when I needed to replace Denise Riley, 

because she was teaching and she
wasn't able to to serve in that role.

He was not aware of the dysfunction of the ACC... and...
or at least that's what he was sharing with me I should say.  

So, this is where I'm glad that a lot of things 
have been moving forward in ACC...

and I also want to just give my support that we...
I do appreciate the fact that we need to have an AP...

and I think that we should support this... and we probably
would be the group that needs to put this forward...

and we need to make this recommendation for an AP...
so, it looks like that's going to be one of our, you know...  

tests to do here... we can obviously do it in Spring 
but we'll definitely do it in... starting in Fall.

I'm done.


---Brooke Anderson:
That is a really good idea Rita... that
we should lead that... yeah, Makyla.


---Makyla Hays:
One of the things that I think is unfortunate is, ACC seems
to be the culmination of most of the governance groups

and is leaving out AERC, which is where all of the employee representative
groups... the elected employee representative groups have a voice.

So, essentially... ACC, being the culmination of all the shared
governance, but leaving out PCCEA, Aces, and AFSCME...

that's a problem...  [chuckles]  because that's the
elected representative board recognized voice.

Our only role at the college officially is in AERC... so, at the
very least, AERC needs to be represented in the ACC. 

I think the idea of shared governance is really
good, to sit down and define and nail down...  

there's a lot of different levels that you
can define shared governance at...

is it consultation, is it collaboration, or do you actually trust
us to build something and we bring it to you for approval?

Do we work through it together with... under your parameters?
There's levels that you can define shared governance at...

and the college needs to agree on what that is... but I think, at the
very least, AERC and Aces should have representation at the ACC...

there's so many letters that are the same...
and we need to connect those dots...

because to leave that arm of shared governance out is really not okay...
 [chuckles]  and especially if there's going to be any sort of policy overlap...

it really needs to be informed by the whole group... and as a
collective employee body, we cannot have our attention divided

and be put against each other in that way... 
we need to know what's going on as we build  

these initiatives and work together, so that the employees
can know what's going on, and not work at cross purposes...

and create internal difficulties that don't need to exist.

So, I would love, at the very least, for Jon, Brooke, Sean... whoever's
running that group, to invite AERC to be part of the discussion of that...

and then I would love to work
to get AERC as part of the ACC.


---Brooke Anderson:
Yeah, that's a great idea... I think you're right on, so 
I will make sure to bring that to ACC... Tal.


---Rita Lennon:
And just... real quick we have less than a
minute left for this discussion, unfortunately.


---Tal Sutton:
I'll try to be brief... so yeah, I agree with Makyla... I think
it's strange... it's a strange forced siloing in our system,

where you have one BP that is defining
the personal governance process...

and then you have another BP that is
defining the shared governance process...

and so you have a shared governance process that is
making, and checking in, and revising, and editing policy...

and then the other one is the one that sort of says, like,
okay... well, when things go... when policy goes wrong,

we're the one that sort of goes in... and sort of like, sorts
out these cases... like why are those 2 different entities?

So, it seems like a forced siloing... and I think
better communication... merging might do it...

though I guess that might run the risk of, you know,
big committees cause headaches... but I don't know,

I'm sure there's a better way to do it, but siloing is always a
danger, and I feel like these BP's are set up in such a way that

it kind of artificially creates that structure...
hopefully that was under a minute.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you.


---Brooke Anderson:
Awesome such a great close.

Thank you everyone... I will take this feedback back to ACC... and
thank you John, for being here to be part of the conversation.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you for that discussion... obviously it's something 
we need to continue to have a discussion about...  

and I just, real very quickly, want to tell you that
this was a theme at HLC, as well... you know,

this transparency and decision making and making
sure that all stakeholders, internal and external,

were at the table making these decisions was
very much a central theme at the meeting.

Okay... that wasn't quick... I apologize... all right, our next business
item is on item number 3, which is course and program timelines...

I see Jason Brown here but we have the CQI team... so Jason, you
have the floor and anyone else who's here from CQI as well.


---Jason Brown:
I don't know if one of my cohorts
is doing this or just me.  [chuckles]

Yeah... so, talking about the CQI deadlines... we've...
I think we all experience the end of January rush,

with trying to get curriculum changes in through the system...
and that certainly didn't do our office any favors either,

with trying to get things processed to HLC and Department of 
Ed and what have you... so, one thing that we're looking at...

I think it's pretty much... it's set now... is we're moving all those curriculum
deadlines back to the end of the fall semester essentially. 

The College Curriculum Council is almost entirely faculty...
and so, when faculty leave for the winter break

there's nobody processing things through that body and
that's really an essential step for any sort of curriculum change.

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So, moving the deadline to before the end of
the Fall semester, is just going to make sense.

We are dealing with a lot of... I think the internal curriculum processes
of the college have greatly improved... obviously I'm biased...  

but things get through a lot faster... there's more transparency...
we're working really hard to make things more

streamlined and logical... we train
anybody, anytime, anywhere basically... 

so, we're trying to trying to make sure all our
internal processes are moving a lot faster.

The big problem is that our external processes... the ones
that we don't have any control over, like HLC approval...

or Department of Education approval for for title IV aid... 
they can take very long periods of time...

especially in the case of something like a new program or 
the bachelor's degrees that have been talked about.

We can expect that that might be a couple of year
process through those agencies... hopefully faster...

but one thing we do keep running into is the idea that... hey, I want to
get this in. I want it to start now. and and it's just not a reality for us...

but not because of what we do internally at the college... faculty
are on it, in terms of getting the content to us... changes to us...

the administration seems to move really, very quickly
on this... ELT is looking at new programs...

as an example, every single meeting now, I believe...
so, there's there's efficiencies at the college...

but we're fighting a lot of inefficiency... 
or a lot of time outside of the college.

I'm happy to answer questions... I don't really 
have more than that on the timelines.


---Rita Lennon:
Are there questions?  I have my hand 
raised but I'll hold my tongue... [laughs]

to ask another question...
if others have questions

Okay... so, anyone who is making... wanting to make 
curricular changes... so, this would be department heads,  

DC's, or anyone else who's, you know, part of that process...
this means that our process is going to change...

our deadlines are going to be shorter, not longer... and I think
this will greatly affect our way... our ability to get things in

in a timely manner... so, speak
now, or forever hold your peace.


---Jason Brown:
One thing I'd like to do is... all our forms,
process, procedures... our SOP's in the office...

everything is basically available on the CQI website that I just linked...
if you have questions, we use the ticketing process just like IT does...

and thank you for all of you that have been 
using that... it's made life really a lot better for us... 

in keep... in keeping track and being able 
to respond quickly to questions.


---Rita Lennon:
Yeah.


---Jason Brown:
So, if if you have questions, please fire off a ticket... and 
anything that we can do to help... we certainly will.


---Rita Lennon:
You know that I sound like I'm getting paid by the HLC 
by this point in the meeting... but what I do want to share  

is that, also at the sessions that I attended... 
this was something that the HLC recognized  

they said... we understand our processes are 
hindering your ability to be flexible and creative, 

and meet the needs of your students, you know, your 
new learners... so, they are trying to... they are doing  

an internal review about how they can change their 
processes and procedures, to become faster as well.

So, that was really welcoming to hear that at 
multiple sessions but also to this discussion,  

at some of the sessions that I was able to attend... 
was really this whole idea of a centralized theme,

where everything from program development or 
course development, program development,

all the way through to student learning assessments,
it was all from 1 division department it was not, you know,  

STAR, and then CQI, and assess... you know, I realize 
that CQI and assessment have been put together,  

but they weren't separated, they were all within 1 department 
or division at these institutions that were doing it well...

and they were also very well staffed... so, I think that's
another thing that we need to support is that, you know,

we're trying to get these things through, but we have like what...
how many are there, Jason, in your department now, 5?


---Jason Brown:
On the curriculum side of things, it's really 3 of us.


---Rita Lennon:
3.


---Jason Brown:
The full department is... we have a director and then 2 people
also on the assessment side... so, we're looking at 6 people.


---Rita Lennon:
Right, so.


---Jason Brown:
And keep in mind... just just for context, we have roughly 120
something programs at the college, and roughly 1600 courses...

and so, keeping all of those balls
in the air is a lot sometimes.


---Rita Lennon:
and Maggie just brought... Maggie Golston
brought something in the chat that said...

will there be special allowance process
for the forthcoming Gen Ed redesign?

So, there's things again to talk about, out of our control...
that are going to greatly impact our ability to make changes.


---Jason Brown:
Yeah... likely yes... the behind the scenes folks... CQI, registrar,
financial aid... I think are... we're all starting to talk about

how this stuff is going to happen,
in terms of the big Gen Ed redesign.

One of the good things we've heard from AZ Transfer is, they're
not going to stop accepting the AGEC, the old setup, anytime soon.

So, if it takes us a minute to get things refocused and 
reoriented to the New Gen redesign, I don't think  

that's going to penalize students... the
faster that we can do it, the better but,

at least for the time being we don't have any worries 
about students losing credits, or things like that.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you... any other comments?


---Lisa Werner:
Ah, I had one... and this is going back to all that hard work the
Gen Ed committee, curriculum, and many, many faculty did

just a few short years ago to re-visit and redo all the Gen Ed's...
not knowing that we... the Gen Ed redesign was in the pipeline.


---Rita Lennon:
[chuckles]  Yeah.


---Lisa Werner:
What happened?  And especially... I'm thinking, okay...
yeah, it was a lot of hard work for me and the committee...

but I'm thinking about especially, you know... Jason,
your office... and all the faculty that worked diligently

to redo their courses... and
submit it through curriculum.


---Jason Brown:
I appreciate you.


---Lisa Werner:
I mean what happened?


---Jason Brown:
I appreciate you recognizing all the work that happened...
I mean, that was a huge effort by the Gen Ed Committee...

lots of faculty across the college and our office... and I think
the short answer is... is we don't have any control over when

the universities decide to change things... and to some
extent, I think all the community colleges in the state

are sort of chasing what the universities want... and
especially when ASU and U of A basically simultaneously...

did their own Gen Ed redesigns... and then, once
that had already sort of started, people said...

hey, maybe we ought to do this as a statewide thing.  [chuckles]
 so, yeah, circumstance... it was a lot of effort, I know...

and I don't think that effort is wasted in any way just because
the... all the work that went in on that is really going to help

and inform our process this time around... so, I
don't think it's wasted effort... but I do share your...


---Lisa Werner:
You know I just though...


---Jason Brown:
it just made all that work having to be done over again.


---Lisa Werner:
And, and... it's, I mean... you had an office of 3, as I recall,
then... and it was an immense amount of effort for you.

And how is it that Pima didn't know... and how is it the AZ Transfer
didn't... you know, what is what is going on at that level?


---Jason Brown:
I just think at that point...


---Lisa Werner:
Yeah, I mean that's above my pay level and your pay level...


---Jason Brown:
At that point Lisa, it wasn't above the radar.


---Lisa Werner:
but it is something that... it's really important at the college...


---Rita Lennon:
1 more minute for this discussion, unfortunately.

Okay... so, I mean, I appreciated the... obviously 
we all appreciate the fact that you're coming to us

and telling us that there's going to be a new improved
timeline... I mean it's going to impact us the most.  

But I think that as a faculty body, if
we want to try and support the fact  

that we have 3 people in the curriculum office essentially,
who can help us get these things through in a timely manner...

granted we have Curriculog now, which I think helps the process...
but maybe we should start voicing our concerns and opinions

about how, you know... this is a poorly staffed area
and yet, it's greatly important to how we can meet  

the needs of our community and our students, so...


---Jason Brown:
Yeah... I just... a quick comment on that?  Sorry.


---Rita Lennon:
Yeah... yup, you're fine.


---Jason Brown:
Just for perspective... before we 
had any sort of software system.

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we had an office... we had 7... basically about 7 people
in the curriculum office at that time, now CQI.


---Rita Lennon:
Mm hmm.


---Jason Brown:
But people kind of forget that we also had
a curriculum coordinator at each campus...


---Rita Lennon:
Yeah.


---Jason Brown:
so, that was another 6 people... so, considering that if you
kind of lumped us all in together, that the sort of past staffing...

we're looking at going from 13 people to 3.


---Rita Lennon:
Right.


---Jason Brown:
And you know, software has given us some advantages, in terms
of efficiency... and I think we've spent the last 4 or 5 years

really trying to focus in on continuous quality improvement and making
sure that we're getting things faster and better and more accurate.

but there, yeah... I would totally agree... there are
limits to what a certain number of people can do... 

you know... I do also understand there are budget 
realities at the college is having to deal with...

so, I think we'll... we can keep the ball rolling... we'll
see if we can start getting it to roll a little faster.


---Rita Lennon:
Well, we appreciate you... I think you guys do a great job 
with, you know, given the circumstances you're under...

and I just want to let you know that we feel you,
because when those positions went away,

guess who the, you know, the responsibilities fell on...
it was faculty, yeah... so, we feel the pain as well.

And so, getting rid of, you know...
what were you 13 down to 3?

We feel you... we feel the pain... and we're not getting 
paid any more to do that responsibility either.

So, anyway... I'll quit the... I'll get off my soapbox... 
I think I'm on it every single meeting now.  

Okay... so, the next item... thank you, Jason, for being 
here... and anyone else who was here from CQI...

if I don't see you, I apologize... but
we appreciate you being here with us.

Okay... so, the business item number 4, which is policy
review... we do not have anyone here to speak actually

on any of these board policies or AP's... I didn't ask
for them... I sent it out to the officers to say, you know...

who do you think we need to reach out to... I didn't get 
any responses... I'm not thinking that the officers are...  

oh, Morgan... you're here for BP 325, thank you so 
much, if you can answer any questions about that.  

And okay... good, it looks like we have everyone here...
so, I'm gonna be quiet now, and what I'm going to say is...

there's a summary for the changes for AP
and BP's... hopefully, I did send these out...  

so hopefully, you had an opportunity to review 
them... and we'll just open it up now...

we have... I'm probably thinking like, 6 minutes to talk
about this, for any questions on any of the AP's or BP's.


---Makyla Hays:
Are you wanting us to talk about them at all?


---Rita Lennon:
I don't know if there's any need to explain... because,
you know, luckily we have the the summary now...

I mean we've always had the summary, I don't think that's
a new piece of information... but we have the summary...

and hopefully, we've had the opportunity to review them... is there
anyone who would like... you know, please just raise your hand,or say yes

if you would like someone to explain the AP or BP's 
to us... or the need... the rationale for change.

I'm not hearing anything... I'm not 
seeing anything come up in chat.

Is there anything pressing you think is important for us
to know?  Anyone who's here to speak about them?


---Makyla Hays:
I think it's important probably for it to recognize AP 1.2501...
thanks Hal... yay...  [laughs]  he asked about it.

That is the AP that kind of defines how the AERC works... and it is
the AP that the AERC group put in a grievance for last Summer...

for not being followed in the Class & Comp study...
and so, kind of as a way to work through that...

what we've done is gone through it as a meet &..
or as a resolution team... with Jeff Silvyn...

and tried to figure out... where did you understand things
differently than faculty did... and how can we ensure

that our understanding is a shared understanding...
and it doesn't get misinterpreted next time...

and so, we have... if you scroll down just a little bit further... I don't
know who's controlling it... I'm assuming it's Rita.  [giggles]

Yeah... under a process, what we've done is, we have... or sorry, next...
next little bit.. we have moved the Meet & Confer process...

there is no more equal opportunity office, by the way... that's why that's crossed out... but if you scroll down a little more...  

here we go... this was the Meet & Confer section... so, there
was a paragraph on the... I guess at the top of the next page...

that mentioned the compensation based Meet & Confer here
that's crossed out... and we have moved that to be clear

that it is a Resolution Team... and because it's a Resolution Team,
that it is formed the same way a Resolution Team is formed...

it has the same ability to bring in constituents, gather feedback, 
recommend policy changes, and do all those things...  

it also adds within this policy, a timeline for 
budget conversations within the AERC structure...  

and then towards the bottom, it also adds in documentation
for agreements, as well as rationale for any agreements

that are not accepted after the AERC comes to a resolution.

So, if we all decide something happens, and we
push that up to administration, and they say, no.   

They need to say why... and so, that is now included in this as well...
and so, that's the big thing... this was really an attempt to

really nail down the process and make sure that all
compensation based discussions go through the AERC,

and not some other random employee voice... but through the group
that you all represent... or that you elect to be your representative.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you for that... that is more helpful and... at least
for me personally... James do you have a question?


---James Sheldon:
Oh... I had a comment on BP 325... but we can
wait till we're done talking about AP 125?


---Rita Lennon:
Sounds good... are there any questions about AP 125?

Okay... what can you do as a senator... and what can you
do as a representation of your division or department?

You can reach out and let all your faculty know that this is up for
21 days review, and you can give your support or your feedback

about what you think needs to be changed or that you agree
that this needs to move forward and that you approve it...

you're not approving it... I just mean that you're approving the changes...
you know, that you're in support of the changes is what I mean.

but that is as part of our senator responsibilities,
that is something that we need to be doing.

So, please take the moment out of your very, very busy
schedule, and give support or give feedback.

Okay, we'll move on to the next one... though I'll stop
sharing and I'll move on to... I'll pick up the other one...

are there any questions?  So, James
you had a question about 3.25?


---James Sheldon:
Yeah... I guess like, reading this... I found it interesting that
like... essentially, all of the power for curricular decisions 

is given to the Provost... because like don't we have a curriculum
committee that has representatives from all of the... the... is that...

oh... and that's in an AP... is that just because that light is not...
the BP doesn't mention like, I'm just a little bit confused  

as to why like, it says that the Provost makes all the decisions...
 if like, we have a committee that also does that too.

So, I was just like kind of curious about that...
I'm referring to... if you scroll down to the last...


---Rita Lennon:
Last page?


---James Sheldon:
paragraph, it says that... it says that the Provost has the
authority and responsibility to review and approve all new

and deleted courses and program modifications or deletions...
and it says, taking into account input and recommendations

received from college stakeholders... is that talking about the
curriculum committee there then just without that word?  Or like...


---Rita Lennon:
Yeah... that's a good question... Jason, I think, 
has something to say, to answer that.


---Jason Brown:
Yeah... I think you're you're right on there...
this part of the the policy delineates 2 things...

one is that new and deleted programs have
to be approved by the Governing Board...

I think that comes through the chartering legislation for
the college... so, something we need to reflect in policy...

and the Provost is the ultimate authority on other... all other
curriculum decisions... and also does, along the way, 

make a recommendation about
new and deleted programs .

The college stakeholders giving input is fairly extensive...
any curriculum changes initiated by faculty at this point really...

so, there's faculty involvement there... there's staff and
administrator involvement along the route of approval... 

and then the College Curriculum Council, as you 
mentioned, does make a recommendation about every  

every proposal coming through... I have to give a huge shout out
to the CCC... all the faculty on there are working amazingly hard

at getting curriculum through in a timely manner... they're
asking really good questions really hard questions about

the quality of our our curriculum... so yeah, there's a lot of
faculty input...but ultimately the decision maker is the Provost.

I have very rarely in my 12 years in curriculum...
I could count on one hand the number of times  

the Provost has gone against what the College 
Curriculum Council wants... so, just...


---James Sheldon:
Okay, thank you Jason.


---Rita Lennon:
And I'm sorry, we are out of time for this... Makyla, if
you can, add your information to the chat, you know...

but this isn't 20... both of these... all 3 of these are in 21 Day
comments... so please, if you have questions or comments...

please add them to 21 day comment... uh, Brooke
I see that you wanted us to add a link to that...

I think we can... I'll try, when we're on the next
presentation, to grab the link and put it in there.

One thing I wanted to say is the last AP, that is 3.46...
the rationale explains why it's being deleted...

so, if you go in there and review the rationale it'll explain why...
but we don't have anyone from ADR to explain that, I don't believe...

and we do need to move on, I'm so sorry... 
but Jason, you also have your hand up...  

I just wanted to know if that's probably... you 
know, it's... yeah, it's a zoom thing, I get it.  

Okay... so, our last 2 presentations were added... they were
modified... and so if you were looking at the agenda prior to...

these were added during our meeting... so, the
number 5 is the chancellor response, which is...

James I'm going to ask you to speak on that... and just keep in mind
that we now have 17 minutes for the last part of our meeting... so...


---James Sheldon:
Yeah... so, I wanted to just open up a discussion about... just
like, the Chancellor's response to the faculty concerns about...

just like some of the statements that he had made... that sort of,
like... kind of, implied I guess, that we were not primarily

a degree granting institution... and I know like, he... you know,
kind of clarified some of what his intent had been...

but I wanted to just have a space for folks to talk about and discuss
that response... and like, any outstanding concerns folks might have...

I also just... like, the kind of growing deemphasis on like,
degrees and transfer... seemed like, to be a concern to me...

and like, I was looking at some of the history around
micro-credentials and our current focus on that...

and saw that we had taken funding from the Charles Koch
foundation on that for example... and so just wondering like,

where is all this coming from... and you know, wanting to like,
have kind of a discussion about kind of where to go from here...

and how people are feeling about all this...
so, yeah... that's what I want to raise.


---Rita Lennon:
So, I'll start by sharing that, the information that the
chancellor is using, is from the Department of Education,

and it's our college score court... scorecard... and it
states on here that we are a certificate institution...

and when you hover over it, it says most awards are earned... that are
earned here, are certificates but degrees may be offered as well.

But that's the terminology that he's using... is
how the Department of Education is defining us.

That does not change other parts of what you're stating,
I just wanted to say that that's kind of like been his...

you know, his sounding board right
now... is using this scorecard

Makyla.


---Makyla Hays:
Yeah...kind of to go off of a little bit, what James was saying there...
I found it just interesting and I'm not remembering a conversation...

so, I'm kind of just wanting to bring it up here 
and see if anybody else remembers it...

but it seems that we as a community college became
part of some sort of grant from I think, Ed Design Lab...

or something, for about $100,000, to implement micro-credentialing
back in 2020... I don't remember that conversation but perhaps

it ran through a faculty committee in some way... but
there seems to be 6 to 10 community colleges that...  

no, it's not Pearson... it... it's actually funded 
by the Walton Foundation and the Koch brothers...  

and so... it's... there's a push to go towards 
micro-credentialing and redesigning education,  

and the offerings that we have, and
the types of offerings that we have...  

for... I think the initial part was like
$100,000 towards these types of programs...

and there's news articles from 2020 and stuff like
that... but I don't remember any internal discussion

about the direction of that... I don't
remember it going to the Board

I'm... I'm just confused if other people maybe heard
about this... or maybe I didn't recognize what it was...

but in my little search rabbit hole of information... the Koch
 brothers tend to ask for quite a bit of information and control

over the programs they donate to... so, I'm just... I want
to be sure that what we are doing and implementing,

is actually a faculty driven process... and so... I'm hoping
for... maybe we can push for a little bit more clarity on...

what did we agree to entering this grant... what have
we already done towards it... what are we still doing...

and how can we make sure that we're greatly involved in the direction
that it's going from this point forward... even if it's 2 or 3 years in?

I know that's a lot of information... James put 
something in the chat to kind of link to that.  


---James Sheldon:
Yes, I did.


---Rita Lennon:
Yeah I know... thank you... I don't know if we can do this conversation
justice in the time that we have here at this meeting...

and I think that this is going to be a... this is just my personal
thought... but I would love to hear from janitors,

about, if we need to have this more as a study session and invite those
who could give us more information that we just don't have right now.

Is there... Maggie,  thank you... there's... is there 
support for this to become a study session... or not?


---Lisa Werner:
I support it.


---Rita Lennon:
Lisa, thank you... Karla, yes... Mike, yes... all right...
so, I'm just gonna let, you know... if you...

if you agree that this needs to... or disagree... I mean, if... how do
you feel about this as educators at Pima Community College?

Do you think we need to know more about this area, you know...
who are the faculty that were involved in this creation?

or which departments made this decision?  You know,
this is an effort for more transparency around this...

then I think we could definitely turn this into a study session...
I don't know if it's going to be the semester...  

I mean, granted that, you know... we're in April... we 
already have another study session that's due in May.

We might be able to get it done in the end of April...
I would love to do that... and we'll help you, you know...

help all of us get it together...
so, that would be the case.

Okay... James, thank you... it seems like an appropriate 
course of action for the senate to take...

for us to dive deeper into this... okay, thank you...
so, with that... and in fact we have 10 more minutes...

and you know I just want to say that... and I love to be 
efficient obviously in my line of work that, you know...

not as an educator, but as a researcher... that's very important...
but that, I don't want it to to get away from the fact 

that we need to have dialogue and discussion as well...
and so, I'm trying my best as a senate rep... leader...

to have space for that... you know... and obviously, that's
just unfortunately in chat, and a little bit of discussion...

if we were to move back into in-person, we could have more
discussion... we could have more time for discussion...

but that's just... that's just my piece... all right, our last
business item is reviewing the meeting minute protocol...

Denise you have the floor.


---Denise Reilly:
Thank you Rita... and I wanted to mention that if this is, 
you know... one of our goals for the year...

and we've shared this very publicly... has been transparency throughout
the college... so, if that's a focus of my next oral board report

 then I'm happy to include that there's a few items
that have been generating around different topics,

and these are some things that we'd like to know and just get
some further information about, for clarity and for transparency.

So, I just wanted to add that, that I'm happy
to include a blurb about that next week...

I wanted to share about minutes... I know we've gone back
and forth... and as faculty senator officers, it's a lot of work

to ask everybody outside of these meetings, to approve
minutes... and respond back to the minutes...

and I know most of that is put on the president...
and I know there's been discussion about this,

but I don't see why the first 3 to 5 minutes cannot be taken
from our meeting, to review what happened in our old meeting.

and here's my rationale... my rationale is... you remember 
what happened a meeting before... and those...

and in these meetings there are many others that
are not faculty senators, in these meetings...

that can look and review and say... oh, what do they talk
about on a regular basis?  They would have access to that...

and then simply... later in the meeting, we can approve
that... I'm not sure why this has gotten so far,

but trying to play catch-up every month with this is seeming
like, not a very... it's just not a great procedure...

and so, I'd like to put that back into the mix of just
reviewing minutes at the beginning of the meeting.

We seem to have time for other things, like shout outs and
open forum... and lots of other things that are great as well...

but this is our own time for our minutes... and to review this
information... and so to me 5 minutes is not a long period of time,

and faculty senate officers, that have the responsibility
to be here, can look at the minutes... few minutes...

or can review the minutes, a few minutes before the meeting
begins... and then have any questions or thoughts.

The 2nd option would be... and then, I'm just bringing up
2nd option, that I know some groups at the college have done... 

a 2nd option would be... by default, approve the minutes by
the next week, like maybe Tuesday, when the minutes go out,

approve it by default... because I think it's got to be a lot of work
to be tracking down what a quorum is for the amount of minutes.

So, my vote would be to go for option one, which is just to approve
minutes during a meeting, so that we can see what's going on.

I think it's just too much work, and to be honest with you,
I don't think it's a bad idea to review and refresh,

prior to the start of the next meeting... to kind of follow up to see
what happened... and I know this was turned down last month...

and I wasn't at the meeting to give my spiel and support for
this... but I can tell you that that's that's my thought on this...

and if we have any commentary, I'm happy to listen to it...
but oftentimes those that that share the comments

are not the people that are doing the work behind the scenes,
in sending those minutes out and collecting that information.


---Rita Lennon:
Denise, thank you...  [chuckles]  you are directly affecting my...
[chuckles again]  one of my aspects, so I appreciate that...

your comment does... so I guess... I just put out the poll 
by the way, to approve the meeting minutes for March...

because as I said that at the end, we would 
be doing that.. but I'm about to create another poll...  

so we... right now, we have 12 people, senators,
who have supported, and no one has said no...

so that's good... but I do need a quorum... and a quorum for 50...
how many do we have?  Oh, gosh... someone help me out here... 

vice-president or Denise... how many senators do we
have... are we at 40, 42 somewhere around there?


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
There's 44 participants but finding out 
who's actually the senator?


---Rita Lennon:
Yeah... that's right... so, I think we have around, you know, 
upwards of 40, 41 senators... so, 15 senators, who have voted.

[chuckles]  Right here live in the meeting is still not 
at quorum... so, we do not... we need to do 1/2 plus 1,  

in order to... I... George... John... I appreciate that... you should
have the option to abstain, for those who did not attend...

I appreciate that... if you didn't attend, then just don't vote for yes or no...
I'm sorry, I didn't have that in there... Tal, you have your hand up.


---Tal Sutton:
And, there's also no part to sort of 
indicate if you are serving as proxy...

so, it's unclear how many votes are actually cast.


---Rita Lennon:
That's a good point.


---Tal Sutton:
I think.


---Rita Lennon:
I think we should just go back to the way it was.
[chuckling]


---Denise Reilly:
Yes I'm gonna advocate for that... I'm also going to say,
we only have about 30, probably 30 senators in here...

we have quite a few folks that are not senators in this
meeting currently, right now... so, we're probably around 30.

And if we only have 15 that have even submitted this
right now... imagine the work, when you get an email

in the boatloads of email you get the next week
after a meeting... so, try to go back to a month or 2...

so, while I think the intention behind this new process
was to alleviate those, from taking up time in our meeting,

we're ending up spending more time... I don't even know
if this is appropriate anymore... chasing the tail...

is that the... is that the phrase that you say... that's
what I feel like right now... and I would just like us to...

I would like somebody to actually motion... am I allowed to
motion...  [laughs]  I would like somebody to motion to...

in the future change, and go back
to our former way of doing things.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay, I appreciate that... and you're right, I didn't set up the survey,
which is embarrassing, because like that's really my line of work...

[laughing]  creating surveys... and I
didn't create the survey the proper way.

So, my apologies for that... we do have 19
though... so, thankfully we have 19 in support...

and that is going to be quorum, if we
have 30 senators, who are in the room...

19 is probably is... would be above that... so, we're good there... 
so we can officially approve our March meeting minutes.  

but yet, here we are having another meeting about
how we're going to approve meeting minutes.

I think we should just go back to the way it was... could you
please put your support, or your non-support  [chuckles]

in chat for me please... to say that you... I'm
sorry... we need a motion, my apologies.


---Denise Reilly:
Can I motion, Rita... or am
I not allowed?  I can't recall.


---Rita Lennon:
You... you put it on the floor, so...


---Denise Reilly:
Oh, well.


---Rita Lennon:
We need a motion... you, you put the picture


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
I motion.


---Rita Lennon:
You motioned.


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
I motion.


---Rita Lennon:
Okay, so...


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
it's my second time in 2 months
motioning that... so, yeah.


---Denise Reilly:
Okay... Tal also put a motion in the chat...
so, maybe Tal, would there be...


---Rita Lennon:
yeah Tal motioned and Randy seconded... so please, put if
you support, or if you would like to continue this defunct

[chuckles]  way of... of trying to approve meeting minutes.

I'm obviously biasing the vote... but hey, what can 
I say... at least I'm putting it out there though...

[laughing]  in the effort of transparency...
I'm telling you that I'm biasing them.  [laughing]


---Denise Reilly:
Well, we appreciate the transparency.

Can I put in a quick plug in these last 
2 minutes of our meeting Rita...

that I think we'll be looking for a representative 
for the Board of Governors in the Fall.

If there's anyone interested in being the face 
of the faculty in the foreseeable future.


---Rita Lennon:
And just know that it won't be a, you know, the regular amount of time...
it's just going to be a short amount of time that you have to do that...

but I don't have that right off the top of
my head, how long you'd have to do it.

So, if you're interested... hey, email me and Denise... and
we will respond to you about how much time it would be...

and you know, any other questions you have.


---Denise Reilly:
This would be for Fall semester of 2023.


---Rita Lennon:
Thank you... [laughs]  thank goodness for the officers.


---Bever:
[interrupting] Use the phone number.  Bye.


---Rita Lennon:
I don't think that was for us... okay... so now, 
we are at 259... I cannot believe that we are here...  

It is April... we are done... can I have a motion?


---Brandy Wright Randolph:
Motion to adjourn?


---Rita Lennon:
Motion to adjourn... and a second...
I'm sure there's one in chat.
All right, everyone have a wonderful,
lovely Easter if you celebrate Easter...

or just have a regular weekend if you don't...
and we'll see you in May... thank you.